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Woofer Box Aiming Part 2 - by Eddie Runner

Ok, I finally got some spare time when (a) our shop wasn't too busy, and (b) I wasn't too busy
so we set up the test gear and take some measurements ...

 

The test gear used for the tests today is as follows:

CROWN PRO AMP -
Pentium Computer with the LMS -  (Loudspeaker Measurement System) hardware and software.
Prefab box with one 12 Memphis Depth charge woofer (the orange one) -
Toshiba Oscilloscope -
Sound Technology Signal generator - Didn't actually use this for the graphs below, it was all done with the LMS gear. But we did use the oscillator for some other tests today
Audio Control - RTA
 

DODGE NEON
We chose Dwayne's car to do these first tests on, the car was not running and the cars stereo was not playing, the test system we used (above) uses its own amp and subwoofer box. Our goal here is to measure the accoustics of the car with our test gear, not the gear already installed in this particular car.

We placed the LMS microphone on a simple tripod in the drivers seat and left it alone for this cars entire series of tests.
In this picture you see the prefab woofer box and the 12 inch woofer is aimed towards the front of the car.  This woofer box is hooked to our CROWN amp on our test bench (pictured above).

In this picture you see the prefab woofer box and the 12 inch woofer is aimed towards the rear of the car.  The results of the test are pictured below.

click on this picture for a LARGE closeup view

This is the test results for the Dodge NEON.  The test is a sweep from 120Hz to 20Hz (typical frequencies run through a car stereo bass xover) 
The Green trace that doesn't look so good is the BOX AIMED FORWARD! You can see a huge dip (cancellation) at about 100Hz (about 23db!!!!!)
 

The Purple trace is the exact same sweep! The only thing we changed was to turn the speaker box around and aim it towards the rear of the car!  As you can see there is MORE BASS on the purple trace.


CHEVROLET TAHOE

Again, just like we did in the NEON we placed the LMS microphone on a simple tripod in the drivers seat and left it alone for this cars entire series of tests.

Here is the test box aiming towards the front of the car.
All we did was to turn the speaker box around to aim to the rear of the car... We did not change the speaker wires, we did not change the volume control, we did not change ANYTHING!  (the speaker cant be in or out of phase with any other speaker because this is the only speaker playing! ONE!)

click on this picture for a LARGE closeup view

On this graph of the Tahoe, the purple trace is the REAR AIMING and the green trace is the FRONT AIMING....
 

We also played with the box aiming sideways and straight up with varying results, the REAR facing was the best off all the tests we ran in both cars.

We also ran some FRONT DOOR CLOSED and FRONT DOOR OPEN tests which also had major differences.
We didn't bother publishing all the test results we got because we thought it would just make this page alot bigger than it needs to be.

 

MORE TESTING
Today we set up and did a couple of more cars, Now that I have this LMS computer working again and have the latest version of the LMS software I should be doing alot more of these actual measurements for our tech pages. 

1996 VW Jetta

The Mic placed in the drivers seat as usual.

James positioning the box with the woofer facing forward.
Picture of the woofer aiming backwards

NOTE: all these tests are with the TRUNK LID down! We show you the picture with the trunk lid up so you can see how the box is positioned, I imagine most of you know this but just to be sure there is no misunderstanding the trunk lid IS DOWN DURING TESTING!

Jetta
PURPLE
- box aiming towards the front of the car.
RED -  box aiming towards the rear of the car.

 

click here for larger view

This is a different and very interesting comparison of sweeps in the Jetta.
PURPLE - Jetta with box aimed forward
GREEN - Jetta with box aimed forward and drivers door open.
RED - Jetta with box aimed forward and trunk lid open (and doors closed).
(this is one where we DID do it with the trunk up!)

 

VW BUG

Bug with box aiming forward

Now we swapped the box around to aim to the back for the next sweep.

The measurements of the VW BUG
PURPLE - Box aiming forward
GREEN - Box aiming backward

 

Tests performed 12/03/03 and 12/04/03 at River Oaks Car Stereo by Eddie Runner (NU5K),  Dwayne Jones (KB5YTA) , James Kern (KD5QWG) and Chris Koonce (KD5TOM)...
Contents of this page copyright 2003 Eddie L. Runner

 

Well,
What pushed me into doing these tests and sharing them with everyone on this
web page was the myths and untruths that abound in this industry.. In this case
most installers already know that turning the woofer backwards usually makes more
bass, but one *PROFESSIONAL* that writes for national magazines has written an
article that was in Car Stereo Review that claims that this cannot happen and does
not happen!

Alls fine with me, I have seen so many lousy articles in the car stereo magazines,
that article was to me just another guy trying to make a living selling articles
About something he may not really know about.

Well the writer turned up on the car stereo forums and rec.audio.car some years
ago spouting the same stuff... Still didn't bother me... Then someone mentioned
to him that I had a web site that said turning box to aim to the back of the car
does make a difference.... So the guy started telling folks all over the internet
that my article http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming.html was crap...

"Cartoons" he called it!

Ok, now I had to stand up for myself, I had a few exchanges with the guy and
tried to explain it to him, typically I had several folks chiming in on my side of the
arguments telling the guy I was right because they turned their woofer box
backwards and did actually get better bass.  But he insisted I was wrong and
there could not possibly be any difference no matter how the woofer box was
oriented... 

He tried bullshitting me with his long list of credentials, he tried
to quote out of an old obscure text book which he knew I didn't own a copy of!

But it turns out I DID have a copy of the same text book
http://www.installer.com/tech/naranek.html
which I scanned some data out of to prove he was trying to bullshit me into
submission....  That was kinda funny...

On the speaker box orientation thing though he simply would not listen to me
or anyone else that told him that it does make a difference with the woofer
aimed backward... So I pretty much let him go about his biz until I had
some time to set up my test gear and show him ...

Well the above page is proof that it does make a difference how your
woofer box is positioned and the guy ( Tom Nousaine by the way) now is
making all kinds of claims about how I doctored the sweeps and how it
cant possibly make any difference and blah blah blah.....

Well here is just a few examples of his statements, I know alot of installers
read these tech pages of mine so maybe the next time you see an article
written by this guy in a magazine you wont be so quick to believe him..
 

thanks for viewing my pages  - Eddie Runner

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Nousaine wrote:
> Because acoustic sounds at subwoofer frequencies (approximately 100 Hz) are
> omnidirectional the SPL/Frequency response will be uneffected either way.

Nousaine wrote:
> I've done the experiment several times. At subwoofer
> frequencies it just doesn't matter. How could it? At 20 hz the wavelength is 50
> feet long so the driver displacement just pressurizes the cabin no matter where
> it's placed or what direction.

Nousaine wrote:
> So if your woofer is unfiltered you'll get significantly more lower and medium
> midrange output and perhaps increased audibility of port grunts and driver
> noises when the face of the driver is facing the listener. That's it. Try it
> yourself.

Nousaine wrote:
> While I'm at it let me dispell another Urban Legend. Do you get more bass with
> the hatch open? Only outside the car.
> Inside you get significantly less. Why? You lose the cabin gain transfer
> function effect whre the driver displacement pressurizes the interior at low
> frequencies delivering 12 dB/octave reinforcement as frequency falls below the
> lowest mode which occurs at 60 Hz in a small car.

Nousaine wrote:
> You can also read about alien visits on websites too. At bass wavelengths (17
> feet @ 60 Hz and much longer at lower frequencies) there just aren't any
> "cancellation" issues going on in the car cabin.

Nousaine wrote:
> The only
> advantage of subwoofer orientation is that facing the woofer/port away from the
> listener reduces the possibility that mid-range sounds and driver/box/port
> noises will be less likely to be audible.

 

 

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